MY SETUP WITH PICTURES

rafaysalman · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: MY SETUP WITH PICTURES

Salaam,
This is my setup. I am a beginner so i have uploaded these pictures so that experienced bird keepers can see these pictures and tell me how to improve my set up.
The hut alike cage has silvbills finches.
I orange spot cage has crested budgies. Can crested budgies breed in this size of a cage ?
Please sex the white finches for me and please please please tell me how to improve the whole cage setup...
thamk you
Rafay salman
03218470026

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ustad ji · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: setup

hi rafaey,how could expect answers about cages utility for breeding if you do not mention their size.it appears u spent lots of money .please mention the cage size/dimensions...regards

rafaysalman · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject:

sorry for not mentioning.

The white big cage has a hieight of 5 ft.
length of 7 ft.
and a width of 2.5 ft.

The small cage (black colored and orange top) is 2 ft X 2ft base and 2.5ft height...it has a single crested budgie pair.
Please tell me how to enhance my breeding capacity.
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject:

comments on setup

1)the crested female is definitely sick

-put the male in colony and let the female be alone
-keep the little cage with female as far away from your main cages as possible(in your room preferably)
-purchase doxymycine from Pakistan medicos,mix 2 ml in 1 liter of water and use this mixture on your female for 7 days consecutively
this process will be used on all sick birds

2)the floor of the finch cage is way too dirty for my liking,make it a regular habit to clean your cages every weekend,your birds are only as good as what you do for them

3)remove the aluminium foil from the clay pots of finches and use clay discs as covers

4)the floor of the colony is again too dirty,this is an open invitation for germs and bacteria to wreak havoc in your colony

5)rather than clay containers,use plastic containers for water.This is because in winter,the clay pot will make the water extremely cold and undrinkable for your birds

6)The top area of the colony cage has started rusting,have it brushed with a anti rusting chemical and then repainted with an oil based paint
that way your cage will give you service for a longer period

rust causes metal poisoning in birds which is very hard to cure
overseas breeders repaint their cages every 2-3 years for this exact reason
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject:

(A)breeding season for budgies is start of October to end of April

the remaining period is used to give them time to rest,shed their feathers and regain energy for the upcoming season

(B)following seed mix will be used for your budgies and finches

50% white millet(moti kangni)
30% canary seed(golden is first choice but brown will go as well)
20% bajra

in a 1 kilo mix of above seeds,mix a teaspoon of seven seas cod liver oil (shake the seeds so the oil coats the majority of them) and use this mix daily irrespective of anything

this will help boost the resistance system of your birds and make them less vulnerable to bacterial or fungal infections

(C)add calcium block(samandari jhaag) and rock salt block(lahori namak) in the cages

calcium helps the females recover their calcium reserves which were used in development of eggs and also helps the birds in keeping their beaks and claws sharp

iodine is an important mineral for the birds and is a must to keep them healthy

(D)make it a routine to give spinach leaves(paalak k pattay) one day every week
for breeder pairs which are getting ready to lay eggs or are raising their chicks you will add pieces of corn(kacha bhutta whose daanay are milky white)
each piece will be 2 inches long and will be given on alternate days
that is agar Monday ko diya to phir next aap Wednesday ko dogay
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject:

(E)fruits,seeds and vegetables dont provide the complete diet to our birds that is why we have to use supplements containing vitamins,amino acids,minerals and electrolytes

purchase the following from Pakistan medicos

first option is Permasol 500 granules(a Korean product)
it contains vitamins,minerals,amino acids and electrolytes
1gm of this powder will be added in 2 liter water and given 3 days every week

if Permasol is not available then purchase
1)Faraminovit 100 gm pouch(dutch company by name of farvet)

this powder contains amino acids and vitamins which are essential for birds
1gm will be added to 2 liters of water and given 2 days every week

2)electrolytes and mineral mixture(any local made powder will do)

ask the shopkeeper for the best one possible

again 1gm of this powder will be added in 2 liter water and given 2 days in same week as Faraminovit

yaani Monday aur Wednesday ko faraminovit jab kay Friday aur Sunday ko electrolyte and mineral mix diya jaiga

F)budgies do not breed all year round,they undergo cycles of peak and ebb periods

a male in peak form will have bright blue nose and a female in peak form will have light brown nose
this is the best time to put the pair up for breeding

another way to observe is to see the birds up close
a female which is ready to breed will actively chew calcium blocks or wooden perches and will be inspecting the claypots by going inside
a male which is ready to breed will fluff itself,chirp loudly and try to engage the female by pursuing it and calling it towards a potential nesting site

a male in ebb form will have dull blue nose and wont show any response towards a female
a female in ebb form will have a bright white nose

budgies in ebb form may mate as much as they like but fertility wont happen and even if it does then survival of chicks will be very difficult as their parents bred at wrong time

G)colony is not a preferable way for breeding budgies,its more preferable to use compartment based cages

-colony wont allow you to breed the budgies of best quality as random pairings will happen,mix and match so as to speak

-fights happen in colony over pots,often females kill each other or chicks of another female for the sake of getting the ownership rights to a clay pot

if you can afford to get rid of the colony cage then get compartment based cages of minimum 8 units
if you cant then focus on particular variety of budgies rather than adding every kind possible
if i were you then i would make a colony of just one particular type like pied,spangles or crested

H)nest boxes can also be used as alternate for clay pots

advantages

-they don't get hot in summer or cold in winter like clay pots
-they offer the younger chicks more chances to survive as they offer more space,in clay pots many young chicks are killed due to being trampled by their parents or elder siblings

disadvantages

-nest boxes are harder to clean and manage than clay pots
-nest boxes are more expensive than clay pots

i was initially using clay pots but i switched over to nest boxes last year and i am extremely satisfied with the results
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject:

I)Dear Rafay,i also entered in this fancy as a beginner 3 years ago and it took me 8 months to get my first clutch
i initially bred lovebirds,Australian budgies and cockatiels but now i only have English budgies
it is alarming that you have been facing difficulties for last 2.5 years
the internet can give you 98 percent accurate information for being a successful breeder
the other 2 percent will be modified as per local environment here

every bird needs some specific conditions to thrive
you can easily breed cockatiels and lovebirds if you read up info about their likes and dislikes

i wouldn't advise you to move towards big birds like rumps,ringnecks,rosellas unless you have the following things
-money
-space
-time
and most important
knowledge of genetics and birdkeeping

take time to enjoy this hobby and i sincerely pray that you will succeed in breeding your budgies this time

p.s if you need anymore information then you can post your query here
its not advisable to demand answers on personal mail since jo problem aj aap ko hai wo kal kisi newcomer ko bhi hogi
the more we share the more we help each other
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: links regarding budgies

these two links will provide you with a lot of information regarding budgies

English and Australian budgies are related so everything applies to both of them

http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/

http://www.masterbreeder.co.uk/
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rafaysalman · Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject:

Salaam Usaid,
Thankyou for your reply and helping me out.
I agree with you that the cage of white winches was really dirty.
Colony`s cage has its base of earth so its cleaned automatically.

I also noticed the crested females health...and gave her a 3 day course of teramycin capsule (1 cap in 1litre water)...and she is improving. At the same time i started puting their cage in sunlight for about 3-5 hours a day. Today is the fifth day and she has totally recovered. I dont know whther i should put a box in the cage or not at this moment or shall i wait for the next season. Putting the box in summers isnt feasible as it wuld be too hot. What do you say?

I am planning to buy a partationed cage this June after my cambridge exams.
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject:

-actually it is the earth itself which can lead to problems in future

1)a rat could make a tunnel and make its way into the cage
2)earth itself is host to a lot of worms and other tiny insects which are dangerous for birds

have the bottom lined up with ceramic tiles which would make the cleaning job very easy

-terramycin is good but doxymycine(doxycycline hydrochloride) and enrocin(enrofloxacin) are the top two antibiotics for wiping out bacterial infections

terramycin failed to cure some of my birds therefore i checked online and shifted to the above two antibiotics
the results have been exceptional
both medicines are available in 100 ml bottles at very reasonable prices
either one will last you 2 years easily

-june is still far away so go ahead and place the box
if the pair is ready then they will breed

yes,in summer no bird should be allowed to breed ,remove all clay pots and boxes as soon as june starts

-best of luck for your a-level exams,my brother will be giving AS level at that time:)
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Muhammad Faisal · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:26 am Post subject:

Dear Brothers,

This time try MP clox (250g) as recomended by my brother (who is VET-surgeon). I also tried and got very good results.

regards

Muhammad Faisal
03008550057
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:29 am Post subject:

dear faisal bhai

ampiclox by GSK is basically ampicillin and it has been made for human consumption

both enrofloxacin and doxycycline hydrochloride are FDA approved antibiotics for veterinary use

as per research doxycycline HCL is the most powerful antibiotic invented to date for treating those viruses and bacteria which over the years have become resistant to the medicines of 5-10 years ago like oxytetracycline,sulphaquinoxaline,erythromycine,sulphadiazine etc

i would recommend you to try these medicines once
a 7 day course can easily kill off most of the bacterial maladies which infect our birds

other than that you will need oxfendazole for deworming of birds every 3 months and falgyl syrup for killing fungal infections
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Muhammad Faisal · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:29 am Post subject:

Dear Usaid,

I know all facts and formulations of vet and human medicine's and many friend knows that i always remain surplus of such vet medicine samples, Keeping in view the current medicine effectiveness my brother has recomended most of human medicines i.e. for fungal infections we use neilstat.

I also audited many pharmacuitecal companies, where i have noticed that active ingrediants required quantity isn't mixed with exepients and most of the times expired medicines reported repacked with new dates.

I 100% agree with your concern. but brother, geniune medicine isn't available. Yes, if you ask any friend of yours to bring such medicines from overseas it worth a lot i.e. i puchased a coxy medicine from Germany it's so effective that within one-two days i got the desired results with zero mortality.

regards

Muhammad Faisal
03008550057
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:09 am Post subject:

good to know that
i am a c.a intermediate and i have audited some pharma companies and their distributors as well:)

my first option has always been to use the veterinary medicines

only in extreme circumstances have i resorted to using medicines made for humans

for eg
i use tobradex of alcon for treating eye infections
oxafax of gsk for deworming of birds

no doubt the imported medicines are expensive but our birds aren't that cheap either
for eg many fanciers are using vetafarm products(Australia) which are distributed from Lahore

i will check up on nielstat as per your advice
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rafaysalman · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

Thanks Usaid and Faisal,

@ usaid yaar ill be giving olevels and not alevels. Secondly i bought this pair of crested about a week and a half ago... ive given them a box about two days agoj bot both male and the female have no intrest in it. Thay even dont go near it....

@ Usiad and Faisal are there any medicines to enhance breeding capability ?

Many thanks for helping me out
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usaid ahmed · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject:

dear rafay
-are you sure that it is actually a pair,if the crested birds have not bonded then i don't expect them to breed

check them to see if they are in condition or not?
if the pair is bonded then the male will be feeding the female and sit close to her

-the main thing is the health and age of birds,
if they are young,fit and get a good diet then their breeding will be fine

optimum age for breeding is one year for a budgie
i had given some medicines in the previous post like permasol and faraminovit which are good for helping your birds remain in prime shape for breeding

there are no such medicines for doubling the breeding capacity of your birds.Jitna healthy bird hota hai aur jaisi uski condition hoti hai ,uska breeding result bhi waisa hee hota hai

observe your birds
those that give 5 to 6 chicks per clutch are potent pairs,these birds will form the base of your stock as most of the eggs laid by them will be fertile

those that give 2 chicks per clutch are lacking in something since

a)they lay very few eggs or
b)very few eggs are fertile or
c)their chicks die within a few days of hatching

these pairs must be broken up and paired to potent birds

you will get good results and bad results from these pairings

good results mean that the bird after mating with a potent bird realized its full potential

bad result means that the bird after mating with a potent bird still had the same problem of low fertility

these problematic birds must immediately be sold off as they are of no use to you(keeping in mind your focus on mass breeding)

now you will be left with only those birds whose output per clutch is very good

i had some australian budgie pairs in the past which produced 6 to 7 chicks in each clutch

in UK,some friends of mine have budgies which give 8 to 10 chicks in each single clutch

as per their advice
"you only get from an egg what you actually put in it"

that is an egg is as good as its parents

if parents are not at the required level then it is wrong of us to have any expectations with the egg itself

now you should start planning for your exams since o levels exams require a lot of preparation and focus;)
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murtazadoger · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: Boht aaaala bhai g

really good setup bhai jaan i am just setting up my setup and this is a guid for me....
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